Welcome to the Supra Owners Group, International (SOGI). SOGI
as a group utilizes two fundamental components: the mailing
list and the web site.
This document describes the ground rules for the mailing list.
The SOGI mailing list is an informal, normally unmoderated
forum for the discussion of Toyota Supras and Celica Supras.
You will find many people in this international community
with vast knowledge, differing interests, and good experiences
who all share a common interest in the same car.
Any Supra-related topic is open for discussion. However you
should check the FAQ,
Tech Tips, and other sources on the website to see if your
question has already been answered. General maintenance questions,
while allowed, might get more responses on rec.autos,
and questions about turbo modifications might find answers
on Toyota Modifications.
Questions with easy answers may generate a lot of responses.
The hard, interesting question may generate few (if any) responses.
Don't be discouraged. Sometimes, nobody really does know the
answer to your question. Once you find the answer, you'll
be the expert to whom others will turn for help.
Please read the FAQ at http://www.supras.com/sogi/faq/
before posting any questions to the list. You may also want
to review the archive of previous posts hosted at http://www.supras.com/pipermail/supras_supras.com/.
There are some rules imposed on the discussion. Failure to
abide by these rules will result in possibly harsh action.
This is a growing community and needs to be treated as such.
We want to be able to show posts on this list to anybody without
being embarassed by the content. Please keep in mind the general
morals and ethics of life while posting your message - you
will enjoy the list more, and so will the rest of the members!
1) All Non-Member posts will be moderated. Non-Member posts
that in any way violate this charter (including questions
that are already answered in the FAQ located at http://www.supras.com/sogi/faq/)
will not be posted to the list and no notification will
be sent back to the sender.
If you have a problem or an update to a question in the
FAQ, please subscribe to the list and post your question
or problem with the FAQ.
2) Replies to the list should be trimmed of as much old
text as practical in order to reduce the bandwidth used
and save the time of all readers. In the same vein, posts
which are of no value to the list in general (such as "me
too!" or "right on dude!") should be sent directly to the
poster and not to the list. Please limit your own signature
to just what's necessary and relevant to the list. DO NOT
use ASCII Art in your SIG; it only lines up on machines
configured identically to yours (which is NONE).
Please take special notice when replying if you are subscribed
to supras-digest. DO NOT send the entire digest in your
reply as such replies will not be posted to the list. Also,
be sure to give your response an appropriate subject and
only include the body text that pertains to your response.
Subjects such as "Re: supras-digest V2 #598" are not appropriate.
3) Use clear subject lines. A frustrating part of being
a member of an email list is being excited to read a message
based on a great subject line, only to be disappointed when
you find that the message has nothing to do with subject
line. Please include as part of your the following descriptions:
Mk1 or MkI - For first generation 1979-1981 Toyota Celica
Mk2 or MkII - For second generation 1982-1986 Toyota Celica
Mk3 or MkIII - For third generation 1986.5-1992 Toyota Supras
Mk4 or MkIV - For fourth generation 1993.5-1998 Toyota Supras
GEN - For general SOGI or Supra information not specific
to a particular model
FAQ - For additions, updates, and questions to FAQ related
4) If you are even tempted to mark your postings as "Non-Supras"
or "Off Topic" or "Waste of Bandwidth", please think hard
about whether it is appropriate to post. It probably isn't.
That said, we all will understand if you want to tell us
your wife just had a baby. Please preface the subject line
of any off-topic posts with, "OT:" or "Off-Topic".
"TEST" messages may NEVER be posted. Posting a "TEST" message
will result in your immediate removal from the list. If
you are receiving posts, then you can post as well, and
have no need to "TEST".
Under no circustances should you post a message to the mailing
list about computer viruses. Most such messages are themselves
the virus: they affect the readers by wasting time. This
applies to urban legends, chain mail, warnings about something
congress is supposedly considering passing, and the like
as well. If it's not on-topic for the supras list and someone
forwarded it to you, it should not be sent it to the list.
Do not post jokes and humor to the list as the only content.
That is what rec.humor.funny is for. And only send "Happy
(insert holiday here)!" greetings as part of another post.
5) Take the time to read all of the other current posts
to see if your response has already been posted by another
member; only then should you post a response. If a previous
member notes that he/she is unsure about a particular part
and you have experience with the particular subject, do
feel free to elaborate on the subject -- preferably with
additional or more clearly presented information.
Also, if you are unsure about your answer to a question,
please be sure to clearly mark what you are unsure about.
When you are sure about an answer, if possible include sources
to expand upon your answer and maybe even provide some of
the theory behind it, Remember that this list is only as
helpful as the information provided is accurate.
6) Questions about other vehicles, even other Toyotas, including
those with a great deal of similarity to the Supra such
as Celicas and Cressidas, should not be be addressed to
the supras mailing list (the only exception would be questions
about the 5M and 7M engines which are used in both Cressidas
7) This is a family oriented list - as such, please try
to refrain from excessive swearing.
8) NO FLAMES! Most seriously, insults directed at other
members or former members are strictly prohibited. Only
the list administrator may be criticized or insulted with
no penalty, but it should be done via private email.
If you truly feel the need to respond
aggressively to a particular posting, please send mail directly
to the original poster and do not copy the list with your
It is important to remember that sarcasm does not work well
over e-mail, and may often be interpreted as a straight
insult. Smileys :-) can help improve understanding of such
constructions, but it is often best to avoid them completely.
9) Please take the time to ensure that you use proper spelling
and punctuation in your posts. We're not school teachers
or your mother, but we hope you take enough pride in your
posts to try to make them as readable as possible... In
the Cyberspace world of Email, your writing abilities as
well as what you say are what leave an impression.
This applies to your screen names, as well. A screen name
of "RacerVR4" or "racervr4" is acceptable in your return
address, but please sign your posts with at least your real
first name. We are a list of owners, not screen names.
10) Posts with mime or other attachments disrupt the digest
readers. This is a text only list. Do not use HTML, fonts,
stationary, or other types of formatting in your messages.
This list is 100% pure ASCII text only. If you are using
a mailer such as MS outlook, you should turn MIME off in
Additionally, all attachments will be stripped automatically.
You should not to post pictures or other attachements as
only result in blank messages sent to the list.
11) Anonymous postings will not be allowed to the supras
list. Due to liability concerns we must be able to provide
names when asked by law enforcement. Therefore, users of
services such as hotmail which do not verify their users
will not be able to subscribe to the mailing lists. There
are other free email accounts on the net which do verify
their users, yahoo.com and juno.com are examples, which
12) AUTO-RESPONDERS. NEVER use one of these while you are
subscribed to the list. It will send an automated reply
back to the list for every single message the list sends.
13) Commercial advertising is generally not allowed. Certain
suppliers provide discounts to members, and they may be
listed on a suppliers page. Announcements of such discounts
may be posted no more often than about once a month. List
members advertising personal supra-related items for sale
should only be posted no more often than about once a week.
Posting of non-supra related items by anyone is prohibited.
Although this list is usually unmoderated, members violating
any of these rules may find themselves temporarily or permanently
having their postings moderated. Severe violators may find
themselves removed from the list completely. Such moderation
or removal is at the discretion of the list administrator.
Occasionally, the list administrator will ask that particular
subjects or threads on the list be allowed to die. This will
happen when a thread is deemed to be so much in violation
of the charter that it is unsalvagable. These requests are
not an infringment upon your "Freedom of Speech" as this is
a private forum. If you have any question as to why such action
was requested, please email the list administrator directly
and/or move the discussion to the supras-org list.
This mailing list is an automated system, using Majordomo.
Send a single line mail message with the word 'help' in the
body to inquire about all of the available Majordomo commands.
Messages which contain administrative words in the subject
or body, such as subscribe, unsubscribe, and help, among others,
will be held for moderation.
Messages from users whose From field does not match their
subscribed address will be held for approval.
Please try and post messages only from the account where
you are subscribed to the list. Messages held for approval
can be delayed significantly (sometimes for a week or more).
To benefit most from SOGI, you must join the mailing list.
If you need one question answered, and do not wish to join
the mailing list, you may still send a message to the group,
but be patient when awaiting a response.
You can subscribe to the realtime distribution mode, where
each posted message gets sent to you directly and individually,
or you can choose the digest mode, where a group of messages
get combined into a single message.
It is important to note that egroups.com redistributes
the list and that people who receive the list via egroups
are considered Non-Members when posting and that any subscription
issues that arise must be resolved with egroups.com and not
Members who are bouncing excessive amounts of email will be
unsubscribed from the mailing list and added to a bounces
mailing list which will send out notification once a day.
If you receve mail from the bounces list, your problem has
been corrected and you can resubscribe to the mailing list.
You will also need to unsubscribe yourself from the bounces
By far the most common reason that users are bounced from
the list is exceeding their mailbox quota. This is a very
high traffic mailing list, commonly generating over 100 and
sometimes over 300 messages a day (or 5-25 digests). You must
read your email often if your system uses an email quota system
to avoid bouncing mail.
list administrator is Rich (firstname.lastname@example.org).
list administrators are:
Jobe (March 2001 through February 2002)
Randall (April 1998 through March 2001 and February 2002 through December 2003)
Wanicka (June 1997 through April 1998)
I. Applebaum (April 1992 through June 1997)
Eilenberger (March 1992 through April 1992)
Mike Kronvold has generously made WWW and FTP space available
at Damocles Ventures.
Damocles also hosts the mailing list.
The home page for SOGI is http://www.supras.com/
If you are a company/store/shop and would like to attract
the attention of hundreds of performance enthusiasts who accept
nothing less than the best, we will consider listing you on
our links page if you have a quality service. A discount helps
get you on the top of the list. ;-)
Archives of Supras discussion are located at egroups.com,
Reference.COM, and findmail.com for various time periods.
Archives dating back to April 1998 are also available
in digest form.
Sincerely, Rich (email@example.com)